I can’t wait to try it and see if it makes a better soap for me. I really love your site and have enjoyed reading it. The ingredient has a high smoke point, too, so it's great for deep frying and any cooking that requires high heat. Thanks for the entry. Hi Marie Im pretty sure you will laugh with me, my hubby want me to do amsoap similar than the want he likes “YARDLEY” ok he always mentioned that he didnt know how people like tallow in their soaps, he said I loved yours because moisturize but I feel squiky clean with that one, so I went to the store and took a picture of his soap ingredients and you know what? I truly found every comment and suggestion of value! Also, I have decided that I am going to try making soap with tallow again. I sent the soap a while back. Look at the photos and tell me you think palm oil is still better than lard or tallow. Greetings and thanks! If you can eat meat, there shouldn’t be an ick factor—you can probably even save the beef tallow from your own dinners. Hi Lisa! Makes a nice lathering, hard bar of soap. In keeping with my preference to buy locally when I can, and choosing Canadian products over imported,, it’s always difficult to find things like coconut oil and palm oil that I feel good about using (the coconut trees don’t produce much here in the north!) How are they different? But the one thing common to each of these amazing time periods is that they all had to wash themselves with soap of some kind. It’s the only oil that defies the rule. The other factor is which EOs you’re using—some fade faster than others. If they don’t, well then using beeswax and eating honey are not issues. I really like your reasons for using lard, and I agree I would rather make the most of the life that has already been taken than just let it go to waste. Both soaperschoice.com and brambleberry.com offer sustainable palm oil. Great! It is used for deep fry cooking, it is used in make up and in hand lotions. If someone asks, be honest, but back to nature and back to tradition is a big theme on etsy so this should actually work in your favour. For example, I’ve had nothing but heartbreak with pine, fir, and spruce essential oils in soaps. I think you’re very right, though—loads of people don’t read ingredient labels or don’t know what “sodium tallowate” means . Maybe I could use it for the soap I make for myself. I also use animal fat in some of my soaps (I have only started making soap 2 months ago though!) Anyhow, the main reason I have so far refused to buy lard off the shelf or beef tallow from the meat department at Kroger is because all those poor CAFO animals are fed GMO feeds. I have learned about the rating itself… 0 being non clogging of pores and 5 being very high chance of clogging pores. I got it at Albertsons, is there somewhere else I should look? That said…i would like to share something i found in my favorite grocery store the other day. Ok, So I thought I’d just update now that my first batch of soap is complete! She is vegetarian for non-religious reasons. I am going to check with our local employee owned grocery store meat department if I can get it from them. I’m sure any answers will be of interest to a lot of people, Go for it! not all entirely correct. I have read down through some comments but not all, I’l admit. And you’re right, animal milk + vegans is not going to go down well , So the soaps i have use goat milk, olive oil, coconut oil, Shea butter, cocoa butter, sodium hydroxide (lye), and fragrance. I’m definitely still all about using animal fats in soap, though! Most of the time, I don’t bother to scent my soap. Tallow and lard both have their uses in soap making and cooking. Your soap sounds lovely . That is quite a ways off as I still have some lye that I bought and will use it up first. I wish I could make simply tallow or lard. How unfortunate that your country won’t allow the use of tallow or lard From what I understand you should be able to do a one-for-one swap over to palm oil. This is HUGE folks! Thank you so much for all the work you put into this blog sharing your recipes and just for being such a nice person. I can’t wait. I use the hot process method for my soaps and a blend of coconut, olive, sunflower and castor (from the bean not the beaver :-)oil. Whether making candles, soap, or even seasoning cast iron, home-rendered tallow can be a useful part of your homestead larder. A few questions- since we have a pork allergy, I’m gonna go ahead and only look at tallow, right? Both tallow and lard are great for soap making. Do you recomend me a recipe with Tallow, coconut oil, soya oil or palm kernel oil… i have a little of cocoa butter… that what we can get in our conuntry. . In the UE, it is not allowed to use tallow or lard should I intend to sell my soap bars; it will not pass the assessment. Its a fine balance alright. Lard is a word I know. I eat fish or shellfish once in a blue moon. If you render pork fat, all you will have is lard. Hey Pepper! I come from a multi-generational cattle-business family(raise, sell, and eat our own beef that is butchered by a small local butcher), and my great-aunt used to render the tallow from our cattle and make soap with it. Bacon is so stinky I can’t help but wonder, haha. again…suet is beef or mutton fat, and not lard. Also when I do a batch with coconut milk, yogurt, fresh fruit, veg etc I don’t insulate after my pour, instead I put the fresh soap somewhere cold (outside in the winter or *carefully* into the freezer) for a few hours so things don’t get too hot and curdle/spoil! I’d probably add it the same way you’ve been adding your goat milk—freeze it into cubes and count it as part of the water I imagine it would make for a creamier soap in the end, but I haven’t tried it so I can’t say for sure. I’m sure if you keep looking you’ll find a recipe that does use both (like this one)… it’s just that using animal fats in soaps makes a lot of people squeamish, so you may find that all of one person’s recipes are animal fat free, milk or no milk. Because of beeswax’s high melting point you have to soap quite hot, which really speeds things up and narrows the margin for error. So, this means the animal products that I use must be from a “halal” animal. We have to Stop turning a blind eye, because it will only get worse unless we do something about it. I’ll add it to my “watch later” list . You can just use pastry lard (sold near the crisco), but you don’t need a connection in the meat department—just ask I find people are usually happy to sell you things . I am happy to see your post on using lard and tallow. Sometimes I enjoy the simplicity of making Castile soap (100% Olive oil) and I have never had any problems with a soft bar, in fact I find these are some of my hardest bars after only a couple of weeks cure time. For sure—I’d always list your ingredients on Etsy, especially where potential allergens are concerned! I will use beef tallow in my dairy-based soaps only. I think I should have been born around 1893. Initially, the fig turns the soap a garish orange but on cooling and curing it calms down to a nice creamy colour. Now that the soap making bug has bit I am looking forward to stealing some of your recipes. I envy your set-up; I hate how my house smells like a low-end steak house whenever I have to render . I wouldn’t bother complicating things with re-batching, you don’t need to . I’m glad I’ve (maybe) helped convince you Unfortunately, with the way soapmaking chemistry works, there is absolutely no way you can guarantee that none of your super fatted soap will be tallow. Don’t confuse suet with dripping. I live smack in the heart of cattle country, and I see them out grazing all the time (we even woke up to one sleeping in front of our tent on a camping trip once!). It is the purest form of fat from the cow, yet the cow isn’t slaughtered to obtain it, and the cow gives gallons and gallons of milk every morning and evening… it just needs grass and water. It’s always nice to have your first batch be a success My All-in-One bar is really easy and traces quickly—I think it’s a great starter bar , Marie, thank you so much for answering my questions. Thanks, Andrea! I’ve never been asked what sodium tallowate is by anyone reading my labels but if asked, I am prepared to tell the customerwhat sodium tallowate is. I have no idea if there are other products made under the Fluffo brand name, but it would likely be easier than trying to render the beef fat at home. Tallow becomes the main product & the innocent slaughtered animals meat will become the waste by product that someone will find a use to use in some way”. I’ve done melt and pour, blah blah and been researching cold process for months while gathering supplies and knowledge. I generally use lard & tallow at 15–20% (depending on if there are other “hard” fats in the batch), and that’s always worked well for me. check your supermarket products people, I was wondering what you think on sustainably palm oil? You might also try making tallow candles. My fat wasn't too gross. We’ve raised cows for years and this was a great use of the fat. I make small quantities at a time – my loaf mould takes about 700g and for this amount I use 1 fig (peeled and pulped) plus 1 teaspoon of honey. We had a glut of figs and I was so happy not to let them go to waste! It is heavenly. Are you using a fragrance oil (not an EO) that may have reacted badly during saponification? Ughhh! pps…please do not misunderstand, the fair trade part is huge for me too! Greetings from spain! I have wondered about soap making since I was 8. When I eventually saw through industry and all the hormones and medication injected into animals and ending up on my plate, I knew something had to change. Customers rarely ask for their fat when having an animal butchered and meat processing facilities have to PAY to send it to a landfill! You could also work on making larger batches so you can set them aside to age longer—that will really help! And I sell my soaps at very reasonable prices to make up for lasting power. I do make both soaps, with tallow or lard and with palm. Step by step, we have traced the processing of animal fat into tallow, a simple skill which leaves little wasted. They also make for nice, hard bars that won’t melt away in the shower. by Marie | Mar 10, 2013 | Articles, Featured Posts, Soap, The Basics, Thoughts | 411 comments. We even got bear tallow this fall which I rendered, but haven’t figured out the best way to use it yet. Suet is hard like lard and tallow. So this leads to my question… Just my two cents! I love your blog! Now today I will grind it and render it. especially if one intended to actually cook with it! Interesting blog. I must say that, this new things I’m learning about making soap is very very very interesting. ^_^ Yes, you definitely can It sounds like you will be very well equipped for soap making for quite some time with 40lbs! I’d rather use tallow/lard that knowingly support rainforest destruction. That should be the biggest concern if your worried about health and ethics, because I sure won’t hurt my fammily. I can remember trying an epic blend of tons of new essential oils that were all supposed to blend well… I ended up with a horrendously over-scented lotion that was pretty much unusable. I have been using tallow in my soaps for 2 years now and I vehemently advertise that fact. I hope I haven’t offended anyone who reads this post. For example, if your recipe calls for 300 g of water, you make your lye solution with 200g of infusion (or whatever you use) and at trace, you incorporate 100 g of yogurt. I’m not sure about the USA since I’m Canadian, but I do have a big list of places to shop here As an FYI—soda ash is a very different thing from NaOH, and is not at all interchangeable. I’m so glad to hear that the news is slowy, but surely, getting out, and we’re starting to get alternatives like this . What types of animal fats can be used to make soap beyond the usual suspects like tallow and suet? My source of free tallow ran off a few years ago, sadly, so I now must use lard or tallow I can find to buy. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. 2. A good way to have together time if I may say so. You can go to their website and see how they farm, and how they have taken an area of the Phillipines, where the ancient harvesting techniques were dying off, and really worked with the locals to farm and harvest in a great environmental way. I can visit the farms and convince myself that animals are treated well – but I cannot travel to Africa and Asia to convince myself that everything is ok there with coconut, palm, rhizinus oil etc production. So, you NEED to use weight to measure out your EOs for soap (as well as all your other ingredients—when you are dealing with lye you need to be totally precise with your measurements, and volume is NOT a precise way to measure for soap making). Beeswax can also negatively impact lather, even at relatively low concentrations. What can you use instead of tallow (besides lard)? I can do down enough for six months in no time that way. Bring them a bag or container? Send my your mailing information and I will send you a bar. I have used Lard and Tallow in my soaps. Hey! I’ve never mixed anything with it other than 1/4 part coconut oil. Everything I was able to find about iodine in soap was to do with how readily the bar dissolves in water (hard/soft—more iodine makes for a softer bar), and nothing to do with making it antibacterial. I find this topic very interesting since I personally believe that the soapmaking and the broader DIY community (including natural cosmetics) still is far away from sustainability – and there is much need to reflect on this topic, especially when taking into account the state of our planet and our societies. No thank you. I research ingredients before I purchased and use them so am not ashamed of an ingredient I use. I don’t use tallow in my vegan or vegetarian products; I think vegans would appreciate a vegan bar + not want tallow, honey, silk or any other animal ingredient included in the product. My husband & one of my daughters are not vegetarian, so whenever they have bacon I save the fat, I also have a neighbour and my parents save it for me, and when I get enough I make it into old-fashioned lye soap to use in household cleaning. “RSPO is the Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil. I’d love to know what else you put your dark cocoa butter into? I hope it turns out nicely and that my customers won’t mind the word “lard”. That said, I have learned most of my ingredient knowledge from you Marie and for that I need to thank you. I grow all my own food free of pesticides which BTW is full of parabens. Leather is in that department too should not be wasted. Hi Charity! I’m thinking of trying another cranberry soap in a few weeks. KM, Hi KM! However, I wonder how do you superfat your soap? They’re generally citrus (go with 5 fold when you can so they last longer), cinnamon, lavender 40/42, and eucalyptus. . Apparently Shakespeare referred to bees as “humbylbees”, as it is an old term for them. I’m also a vegetarian but I believe very strongly in recycling to help our ecosystems. It is perceived to lather better and allow the razor to glide more easily than using liquid fats. Thank You for being brave enough to post this. Since I like to talk, I’d call myself a “strict vegetarian with strong but not absolute vegan tendencies” Soooooo I’ll just stick to telling people I’m vegan to avoid that ear-full, haha. So, if you were making a batch of soap with 1000g of oils, you’d need 2 tbsp clay, and 60g essential oils. So here ’ s benefits all rights Reserved, Rebatching soap: how to get making some really nice fat..., truly appreciated euros for a kilogram them through the lye just dissolve! 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